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Negative life + Death`s Shadow
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Aspiring Noob
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 Negative life + Death`s Shadow
I was wondering if death`s shadow would actually get bonuses if the player who controls it has a negative life. 
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| Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:31 pm |
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Wagner0184
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
No, because there is no +X/+X effect on Death's Shadow so once you hit negative life he just stays a 13/13
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| Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:05 am |
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Wagner0184
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
Lol....actually looking at that again I change my statement to I don't know....because technically according to math a double negative IS a positive....so I want to say yes but I don't have the proof to do so with the exception of actual math.
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| Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:08 am |
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Wagner0184
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
Ok back....after doing some research I found this:
107.1b Most of the time, the _Magic_ game uses only positive numbers and zero. You can't choose a negative number, deal negative damage, gain negative life, and so on. However, it's possible for a game value, such as a creature's power, to be less than zero. If a calculation or comparison that would determine the result of an effect needs to use a negative value, it does so. If such a calculation yields a negative number, zero is used instead, life total to a specific value, sets a creature's power or toughness to a specific value, or otherwise modifies a creature's power or toughness.
So basically Death's Shadow would stay a 13/13
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| Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:40 am |
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Aspiring Noob
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
Uhm....how so? The rule you just mentioned seem to say otherwise. Lets split it into parts:
"If a calculation or comparison that would determine the result of an effect needs to use a negative value, it does so". Therefore we use the negative life to calculate and...the calculation results in a positive number.
"If such a calculation yields a negative number, zero is used instead, life total to a specific value, sets a creature's power or toughness to a specific value, or otherwise modifies a creature's power or toughness" Our result is positive (+4/+4 for example), therefore it wont use zero instead.
...or did I misunderstand something?
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| Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:30 pm |
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Aspiring Noob
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
PS: I know you are right, but its just fun to argue in favor of this 
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| Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:32 pm |
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Keith
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Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:22 pm Posts: 97
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
how the hell would a player have negative life and still be in the game lol
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| Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:39 pm |
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Wagner0184
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
There are plenty of ways to play at negative life.....Lich's Tomb, Platinum Angel, your opponent owning an Abyssal Persecutor, etc.
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| Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:12 pm |
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Aspiring Noob
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
Wagner0184 wrote: There are plenty of ways to play at negative life.....Lich's Tomb, Platinum Angel, your opponent owning an Abyssal Persecutor, etc. I had precisely those 3 in mind 
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| Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:44 pm |
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Keith
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Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:22 pm Posts: 97
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 Re: Negative life + Death`s Shadow
indeed - really confusing situation... unless magic defies the laws of basic math it seems to me the creature would be 13/13 lol
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| Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:12 pm |
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